Good art grows up with a

The Interview with Julian Schnabel in the Villa Tobler was planned for 16 o'clock. Of course, it will be later; the colleagues from the television wanted to make recordings that previous interviewers have been coated, the Usual. As we're on it, has a Beak already a little tired.

He's wearing the obligatory glasses with tinted lenses, this time in violet-blue, in addition to his "Uniform": rumpled pants, worn out work boots, Hoodie with print of one of his paintings. Something about he is to become, otherwise it keeps well for his 67 years. "Where should I sit?", he asks. Here, please, Mr. Beak. "May I also present", he's not pointing at my chair, it sounds like a question. So Reversal Of The Order. "Have you spoken with Louise?", he wants to know. I have. Louise ball mountain (33, tall, smart, incredibly nice), Schnabel's girlfriend, with her, he has his latest Film, "At Eternity's Gate" (see Box) written, filmed and produced.

Through the eyes of an artist: "Van Gogh, At Eternity's Gate" by Julian Schnabel. Video: YouTube/DCM

The Interior Design office of the Swede is, since she is in a relationship with a Beak, on ice. The painter claimed the space. Now: He sits, legs wide, leans back and lets the view through the room while he waits for the first question.

do you Have a personal favorite scene in your new Film?
(long Pause) Since there are several. Those in the Vincent to Paul Gauguin, argue, and then from the Church runs. Or those in which he speaks with the psychologist, after he cut off the ear. Or those in which he speaks with the priest. I like the whole movie.

You can't turn such a Film, if you are the people that make it together with you, don't love.Julian Schnabel

What was the Hardest thing in this Film?
you Know the documentary film, the Martin Scorsese Bob Dylan has turned? In it Dylan is asked something to his Rolling Thunder concert tour of 1975/76. And Dylan responds, he could not even remember. This is how it works for me now also. You do something, and then it is there, and that's somehow completely surreal. In short: Nothing in this Film was difficult. And everything was difficult. Every day you can fail. It is important to navigate the thing through all the uncertainties, it is concluded what you wanted to do originally, finally the next.

Why van Gogh?
Because it is actually impossible to produce a movie about him. They all think they knew who this man was. And now, I believe you will not find many people that you know a lot. Partly because we have invented it themselves, of course. But that was the only way to show how van Gogh felt. It is a Film about feelings, be over the man. It shows that you have to suffer, if you want to be a human being. I think it was Kierkegaard who said: You can't love without suffering.

is it True that for the role of Vincent van Gogh for you only Willem Dafoe was out of the question?
It's true. I know Willem – damn, the décor in this room is interesting! So, I Willem know long and well and know that he is a very physical actor. He likes to dance, to sing. He is very, very, very clever. I trust him. Completely. And he trusts me. You can't turn such a Film, if you are the people that make it together with you, don't love. I knew that If I asked Willem, in his opinion, an honest answer. He has with Louise together.

Dafoe was nominated for the role for the Oscar as best actor. Are you disappointed that he has not won it?
I had not expected that he will win it. The Oscars are a rigged game. "Bohemian Rhapsody" played 900 million dollars, do you understand? I think the movie is idiotic, and Rami Maleks game is a joke. He plays. Willem does something else: It turns.

Van Gogh has made the Incomprehensible understandable!Julian Schnabel

read the reviews of your movies?
Sometimes. Unfortunately. That is the difference between film and Painting.

in What?
If you paint, don't you try to get someone to like the image. You're making a Film, you go on a promo tour and to the press to convince them that your Film is authentic, useful, sincere, whatever. This is just ridiculous.

Nevertheless, they are doing it.
In this specific case. Because I believe that this Film is more than a Film.

Namely?
It comes to painting. So, what I am. Therefore, the Film is something very Personal.

So, the Film about van Gogh is actually a Film about Julian Schnabel?
Yes. But the films of Martin Scorsese act from Scorsese. He shows Gangster. Clearly, he grew up in New York, his parents were immigrants from Sicily. You Understand?

I think so. In the Film, Willem Dafoe alias van Gogh says: "I am my pictures." ! You go to the Kunsthaus to see the pictures. It's true! He speaks to one through his images.
Van Gogh's contemporaries did not understand him, he was as a painter is not successful. You already. And if van Gogh was a success! He has made the Incomprehensible understandable! The other day we showed the Film at the Moma, the audience was full of painters, artists, curators, and all felt it. A shame that Van Gogh had not the good fortune to share what he did, with an audience that understood him. But that didn't stop him from doing what he was sent.

Van Gogh was considered to be difficult. Do you think you and he would have been able to be friends?
(long Pause) I don't know. I was friends with Rene Ricard, he was a great Poet, but, you know, what he was? A fucking pain in the neck. Us has a lot connected, but I always wanted to be in his vicinity? Certainly not. I don't understand Gauguin, that he couldn't stand it for a long time with Vincent. On the other hand, I have a lot of patience with people who are considered to be difficult, if I find that it's worth it in the end. So who knows, maybe it would have worked.

I think that the people have not yet realized what I have created.Julian Schnabel

"At Eternity's Gate" is your sixth Film. What is it going to be your seventh?
No idea. I have written some screenplays, which are still on ice. The Problem is: Now that I've turned a Film over the Paint, which is so close to me, appears to me to be anything contrived.

So it was her last movie?
I think Louise wants to make one. It was great to make this Film together with her. What is important is that, whatever you do, you stay true to yourself. I was offered a lot of money to make any of these things.

How do you define good art?
(He is silent for 30 seconds) firstly, you have to be unique. Personally. You need to convey something what you get to see nowhere else. Art that does not, is needless. Secondly, Good art grows with you. You can watch them again and again, and while you get older, you say a something, maybe something different than in the past.

you Are a better painter or a better movie maker?
you are a unique person with your questions. But I'll tell you. I never held myself for a good film-maker. But I think my contribution as a painter is enormous. I think that the people have not yet realized what I have created.

"At Eternity's Gate" it means, once again, that van Gogh was not a born true audience. I think that applies to me also. It is frustrating to see, what to do curators with your work, how you use it to add your own messages to get through. I think this is going to degenerate even frustration, when I'm dead. But maybe it doesn't matter what I think.

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Created: 17.04.2019, 15:00