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Poland, Pawel Jablonski: The new law on justice does not violate the rule of law
"The criticisms of the Eu and supreme Court to the new law are unfounded". And again: "it Is open to debate those who want a Europe more and more federal power is becoming more whole, and those of us who recall the Europe of Nations dreamed of by de Gaulle and Jean Monnet. New alliances between those who think like us are desirable". So says the Republic luomo-the key of the Polish government to the law for justice, and the difficult negotiations with the union, the deputy Foreign minister Pawel Jablonski, head of the european policy.

The Eu harshly criticizes: he says that the law violates the values of the rule of law and takes away your liberty to the judges, what responds?
"statements Are unfounded and not true. Because the judges are free to exercise all their rights within the constitutional Polish as in any member State of the Eu. A judge has certain privileges and powers but also the limits to be respected. According to the constitution, must refrain from any political activity and from any action that could put in doubt the impartiality and independence of the judiciary. The judges should never hold political speeches in France and Germany it is not allowed. To be the impartial arbiter must remain non-political. It is the constitutional requirement".

Then reject intended Eu or the supreme Court, the Polish of violating the rule of law?
"Absolutely. The rule of law is well in Poland. For the past 4 years, I hear of violations of the rule of law by us and look and feel still as precise, the citation of a case of political influence on the courts. Similar cases occurred before, sometimes the judges were listened to illegally by journalists to the advantage of certain politicians. Therefore, we wanted to reform the justice".

But the judge Malgorzata Gersdorf, president of the constitutional Court, condemning as unconstitutional the new law. What will happen?
"If you're a judge, your first duty is to obey the law. You are the guardian of the law, you have to apply it, obey it and follow it. If a court or other citizen believes that a law, infringe the Constitution or values, and the european treaties can appeal to the european Court of justice or before the Constitutional Court, the Polish. But if the courts do not apply a law because they don't like, we allanarchia. We can't go back on the law, which is a crucial element of our program, the majority have elected. Speak of the threat allindipendenza of Justice because they don't like the current system, we want the new law guarantees their independence, judges are appointed for life by the head of State. That certain judges to challenge their own colleagues appointed over the last 2-3 years is very dangerous for the stability of the legal system“.
Then you go to the break with the Eu?
"No, I don't see a conflict raging. In the Eu there are always conflicts, but we are engaged in the dialogue. We are in contacts with the Commission, are expecting their visit to Warsaw to explain them the law. The Commission is not very much in favor but we will tell them that similar rules are in force in other european States, such as France or Germany. In Germany, a judge that violates the laws run the risk of prison, we just penalties. We want an equal treatment for each member State, such as Ursula von der Leyen has promised the same standard. We do not ask nothing more and nothing less.“
The increasing divergence between the federalism of the european Commission and Berlin and the rest of europe of the nations Viségrad not now seems unsolvable?
"I don't like labels. There have always been differences between member States that want more integration, or federalisation, deciding everything at the Eu level, and who is drawn to the original vision of Charles de Gaulle and Jean Monnet: europe of the Nations, our governments prefer. But above all, we should follow the voice of die citizens: if they want to mantenerere identity and national decisions on certain issues, we cannot impose on them the more integration that refuse. We would end up in unEuropa that no citizen respects. Already today, many decisions in Brussels are shady, complex, non-transparent, taken behind closed doors, with lobbyismi and agreements that are not revealed. This is what produces leuroscetticismo very strong even in the founding countries and economies stronger. In Italy, too. The Polish all85 per cent are europeans, elsewhere the proportion is much shorter. Why some politicians consider themselves the most wise of their citizens and want to impose more integration refused“.
But then it makes sense to some new form of single block of the one who is for europe of the Nations, in the face of the Popular and socialist federalists?
"I agree, it is a way for you to explore. It would be a breath daria fresh for europe to have a strong compaggine policy that says something different from the mainstream. It would be very positive, I think we have to think about it. I can't say if there uniremmo to a similar covenant, but there are options, we will take into serious consideration , and in the short term“.

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