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Thomas de Maizière : I once thought seriously of resignation

Thomas de Maizière was under Angela Merkel's Chancellery, the Ministry of defence and the Minister of the interior, until they had him almost a year ago fall. He sits on the Finance Committee of the Bundestag.

Mr de Maizière, since soon a year, you are no longer Minister. In the meantime, you have written a book about "Governance". The had a therapeutic function?

I've thought long and hard about such a book. I have always been annoyed that the government is acting as a craft is talked so bad. I had intended to make a contribution to the changes. Ministers can and should be criticized. That's ok. But there is a lack of respect in dealing with active politicians, which is inappropriate. When I was out of the office, the divorced am, I said to myself, now is the time to write such a book. First of all, because my memories are still fresh, and secondly, to win by Writing down the distance of the Minister's activities.

What from your book would you as a Minister do not publicly announce?
Since there are a lot of things. For example, I thought the Minister of defence seriously to resignation. This was in connection with the crisis, the reconnaissance drone, EuroHawk. I was accused of, the project to be late or rushed, stopped and as a result, millions of taxpayers ' money wasted. And I have to say in the aftermath: I had managed the crisis poorly. In a meeting troops during the flood in Magdeburg, a soldier: "Mr Minister then told me to knock you off, but please in the Sack." I have done so, I would not have understood exactly what he meant by that. On the flight back, I decided then, not to withdraw.

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write to you, they also had a heavy hour with the Chancellor ...
During the refugee crisis, has asked me, Angela Merkel, even if I wanted to actually a whole other direction of refugee policy. As I could you and myself to answer to this question of basic loyalty positive, we were able to discuss some difference of opinion more trust and friendship and to solve. You would have had this Moment of doubt about my loyalty or I would have seen her no more loyalty, we would have separated us. I am grateful for the fact that it was different.

In connection with the refugee crisis, there is the accusation that the movement was in sight. Is it democracy is not possible in such a Situation?
It is difficult to make far-reaching decisions before the crisis occurs. People on set, usually only a Bicycle helmet, if you have fallen before. Man learns by crisis. Why should it be in States different? Democracies are learning but are in crises. Before the start of the refugee crisis in each of my predecessors would have failed, if he had demanded that there should be a common file for asylum-seekers, to which all police forces and many social work departments have access to. You would have rejected without the crisis as an invalid special file with a stigmatisation of asylum-seekers, strictly. In the crisis all have asked: Why have we not long since, to prevent the possibility of double identities and multiple payments? Then everything went fast, and we have to get the political majority for a law.

Is it the next crisis?

I hope that we prepare ourselves better than was previously the case. We must, for example, expect more and more with the danger of a large-scale cyber attack. There has been progress in cyber defense, but not enough. The Interaction between the Federal government and the länder, is not solved optimally. Without blue stain, many are apparently not willing to put on your helmet.

Suppose that you as the Minister of the interior, had seen the refugee crisis in advance, they would have made better decisions? to create

thousands of jobs for the Bamf – where many don't want to, that there are so many asylum seekers, the would have been politically difficult. If the crisis occurs, people say: Now that you've created for the asylum procedure, but cops and teachers are missing!

describe the Ministry of the interior in a rather skeptical, defensive end house, the Foreign office as a more optimistic and more creatively...

have The different mentalities Yes, good reasons. The interior Ministry deals a lot with the less beautiful side of life. For example, crime or Terror. The main focus is to prevent these negative developments. And that leads to a rather sceptical and suspicious attitude. The Ministry of foreign Affairs, development aid and the Ministry of education want to secure peace, the Hunger to defeat and opportunities. As you approach confident to much.

you Have changed the Ministry of the interior, or rather the Ministry?

It would be wrong, if you forget, as a new Minister everything you believed so far, or has said. There are such "converts", forget everything that has shaped them in a previous office. But the interior Minister is a Minister of the interior. You can also shape the task of a house. The longer I was Minister of the interior, the more sceptical towards human behavior I became, perhaps, because you so often do with things to, where people behave badly. I have tried through my involvement outside of the policy, for example, in the Church, to ensure that I'm cynical or skeptical.

you are writing, it is uncommon to give his followers advice and his previous failures. You behave towards them?

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