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The Minister of health, Jens Spahn : The Germans want to humanity and control

the CDU Is according to the workshop discussion on Migration on the right course?

the workshop discussion, we have to continue what we have started with the process for the search of the party Chairman last year. The momentum we take into the new year. I look forward, as we are now debating topics with each other is wide, which were previously almost taboo. This is an important change. We are on a good course.

this Is a heading to the right?

no, this is a course in the middle. Both the nature of the discussion, as well as in the outcome of the debate. All of the come to word. And we opt for what the majority of Germans: their humanity and control.

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hardness To hear more, not even the closure of borders to exclude the new Chairman!

most of The people answers to the question of whether you want to help refugees: Yes, absolutely! You want to but at the same time that the state retains control over the Events. This does not mean that we determine who we help and why. The "Help control" is not a question of left or right, but a wise middle ground.

the whole battle Was crazy before?

It was in Parts of a dispute to the Emperor's beard. the Content of the Union group, was already before the last summer break, largely agree on what should be done. The debate has turned, but then less and less the case and more and more about what was actually in the year 2015.

And that's supposed to suddenly be done, only a case for the history book?

The changes to the party leaders of the CDU and the CSU offer both parties a Chance to discuss the case and not on the question of who was 2015 what is debt or not. We fall into these old patterns and allocations of the last three years. Does the Union.

do you Have the impression that Annegret Kramp-karrenbauer?


And the like?

I'll like to be led. (laughs)

do not Need to submit Angela Merkel, the baton in the Chancellery?

no. The Chancellor is elected until 2021. Of course, the Situation is new and unfamiliar. That is, the Chancellery and the party presidency will be represented by two different persons, has experienced the CDU in its 70-year history. It also as an opportunity. We can be in government daily life better, and at the same time ensure that the Union is using to raise its profile and better are distinguishable. Where it is safe is not always easy to keep this Balance.

Keeps Angela Merkel, the Balance, if you rejected a CDU-heart project as too expensive – the return of the double verb eitragung of occupational pensions?

The Chancellor has rightly pointed out that we need to set priorities. But that does not mean that we aim to relieve operating pensioners. The Bavarian state government and also the CSU represents the concerns of the Federal Council. There is a decision of the CDU-party tags. Also, the SPD is in favour of the project. With so much Agreement in the aim of a solution should be found.

the CDU, CSU and SPD often feel that their programs have in the government, no Chance. This tension between the party and the Realpolitik is not a program for discontent?

I ad to come in the coalition at the issues very quickly, other decisions in which the greatest dissatisfaction in the country inflamed. The are to facilitate strengthen the issues of security, Federal police, rule of law, better equip, and deportations. That's what we should implement, as quickly it goes, and hassle free.

From the point of view of the Union would be sure of that just fine. But where the SPD remains with its social-political concerns?

The safety of employees, the CDU and CSU voters in the same way as SPD voters. I think for example to the Ruhr area, since the SPD has, however, not because of pensions or of care policy lost so massively in confidence! The elementary with the problems of Migration, lack of Integration and internal security. To the solution of all the coalition partners helps us to work together. Argue, we can increase us to about other issues where we differ classic – Distribute or generate, control or reduce ...

do you Miss because of your Ex-competitors, Friedrich Merz? The could design, as a President of a CDU-reform Commission, but, well, a really big tax concept!

Friedrich Merz has decided not to run for other offices within the party. I respect that. And so the CDU will have to deal. We have a lot of good tax experts in the party. The financial policy-makers in the group have designed a new concept for a corporate tax reform.

you have described the CDU, especially as a party of internal security ...

... and the outside!

The SPD is warning of a new upgrade ...

with the demand for more money for the Bundeswehr, not popular at first glance, I know. If you increase the pensions, there's always immediately a round of applause. But most people see what is going on in the world. Russia, the middle East, North Africa, on Europe's borders, it needs stability. Ships, tanks, planes, the need for the proper equipment of the Bundeswehr is obvious. More resources for the defense you have to explain. But we must make this effort.

Mrs Kramp-Karrenbauer is planning a further workshop discussions. What would that fix?

We should think about how we apply the principles of the Social market economy consistent. The popularity of Friedrich Merz explained also by the fact that medium-sized companies and self-employed persons were not able to recognize this classic Union profile after many years in the Grand coalition properly. Our aim is to change that. And then we have to show that we can govern well. The coalition with the SPD must not give the impression that we are managing this country. We want to prepare for the future. As in health policy: I want the nurses to say in a few months: We feel that something is moving.

After that be in front of an early election is also not more anxious?

no point in running scared. Because we all fight with determination for success in the elections this year. In the European elections, I'm of good things. We stand as the CDU and the CSU in terms of content, closed behind the joint top candidate Manfred Weber. The elections in the autumn in Saxony, Thuringia and Brandenburg, however, are more of a challenge. It is the self-assertion of the CDU as a people's party. That's why I'm going to be quite a lot of on-site and our fighting positions. Because we don't have to speak with the citizens about them. It is important to me that we talk of Berlin-Mitte from "the Saxon" or "Thuringian". It is also none of "the Hamburger talks Yes" if the G-20 summit, something happened.

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The interview was conducted by Stephan-Andreas Casdorff and Robert Birnbaum.

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