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Engineers estimate: Kiky-hour you could have been doing to justify that tens of thousands of staff – Employers: curb your enthusiasm

the labour of the autumn wage negotiations has been hampered by the issue of the competitiveness agreement, additional hours worked fate.

When the federal round of the first contracts to squeeze the pile, atmosphere will interfere with the new controversy about whether the working time increases to all the workers even the legal.

Western Uusimaa district court solved question last Monday as an employee benefit. Court stated in its decision that the employee's own contract of employment work hours recording would not have been allowed to bypass kiky under a collective bargaining agreement. The employer was ordered to compensate the additional work afterwards.

the Judgment is not final, and the employer tried to take the matter to the court of appeal.

It was the engineer member of the association of lawsuit. Association now estimates that Yle, that only the upper staff in the tens of thousands of similar situation for people. I mean, that you own the contract of employment to determine the specific working hours without bond in the sector collective agreement.

professional Engineers lobbying to the director of Peter Branch stresses that the exact number no one knows.

We have gut feelings, how the discussions have been with people, and the amount is significant. It can be the upper staff by up to half, which means tens of thousands of contracts.

"Conversation with the employer and ask for alliance"

professional Engineers Petteri Branch stated that if an employee wants to kiky-class afterwards to challenge or to take the case even though the court, the case is a contract dispute over an individual employee and the employer.

This is an individual thing, not a federal thing primarily. A long way have everyone to visit, if you want to argue. Worth thinking about, that how important things from your split is all about.

the Branches to advise the workers, however, to discuss the employer and trade union, if you look at kiky-additional hours of infringing your contract of employment working time conditions.

the university of Eastern Finland employment law associate professor Jaana Paanetoja said that the Finnish law point of view the position is clear.

If the employment contract is agreed upon the better things, i.e. in such a case, shorter working hours, so after enter into collective agreements does not our legislation can influence individual-level agreement.

in a Large part of the Finnish contracts of employment working time is of course tied to the industry's collective agreement, which kiky-additional hours of use of has been completely legal.

Employers do not believe the action wave

the District court judgment kiky-hours reimbursement arrears concerning the technology industry association's member companies. Union negotiations the director of Jarkko grass cape considers that the kiky-hour increase for all employees in their own agreements in whatever was lawful, and the need for new interpretations have.

technology industry association's consult director Jarkko grass cape.Yle

the grass of the peninsula, according to the matter it was agreed to discuss in the employees side, when the competitiveness agreement was made. Grass headland recalls that the Engineers were adopted by the competitiveness agreement with the others.

This is expressly agreed that all the working time longer. Also discussed specifically the fact that we have a lot of these people, which is 37.5 hours working time, that (working hours) applies also to them.

the grass of the cape found that the district court's decision is not final, but is considered likely to the supreme court. Grass cape justifies its position also in the court's opinion, which it gives in the summer, the Southwest Finland district court, which is running second, the same type of dispute kiky accordance with the additional hours worked legality.

It was concluded that kiky-agreement was expressly all the working time longer.

the grass of the peninsula does not believe that the attention leads to a large number of new compensation litigation. He calls on the federal member companies to keep the work period of any extension to catch up, even if someone or some employees matter to a dispute uttaisivat.

I don't believe that this leads to the fact that these stories that abounded from the field. I'd give advice to everyone that is taken now to curb your enthusiasm.

Possible action at the beginning besides already be in a hurry. Working time claims, the claim period is two years, and kiky came into force at the beginning of 2017.

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