"Mattias Svensson on flyktingpolitikens moral dilemma"
"”I believe in a world with open borders”."
"”oh, Well, but where will the asylum seekers sleep came in the night and do not get a place at the centres?”"
"the political scientist Bjorn Östbrings thesis immigration policy dilemmas is a help to understand why we often talk past each other in this infected matter. Often involves discussion at various levels and between idealism and realism."
"Socialliberalismen associated with the universal liberal rights and a defense of open borders, but these ideals are not all that easy to assert in all modes. Östbring the tangles of life unravel patiently in the other four cocksure conclusion on the free movement and notes how it has received an increasing number of exceptions and qualifications on the basis of how reality looks right now."
"This is one of the virtues of realistic criticism, mean Östbring. Idealism run otherwise the risk to become irrelevant. Realism should at the same time be weak, otherwise it runs the risk to become uncritical and simply accept the state of things. Östbring furthermore, idealism is liable to be counter-productive by recommending a policy that in practice counteracts its ideals."
"Will the people come from poorer countries so they get it better, but they are sabotaging our domestic jämlikhetsstatistik"
"the Idealists assume, for example, that respect for the laws and norms of the democratic process and for a redistributive welfare state that puts significant burdens on the part of its members, simply are given when they reason about fairness. Östbring objects to an extensive migration may compromise such values and thus idealistic socialliberalers goals."
"People on the run can be a haven away from oppression and war, but when problems arise in the new country with democratic legitimacy – when they become an accepted part of the ”we” that jointly control the country?"
"Will the people come from poorer countries so they get it better, but they are sabotaging our domestic jämlikhetsstatistik by being low-paid compared to us who live here. There is a welfare state that redistributes life through and between the groups reduces the willingness to pay of this also include a new group who looks different, do not speak the language and has not contributed much with their own contributions."
"This is very real disagreements about that there will be many people with significantly lower education and difficulty to learn our internationally peripheral languages. Östbring has good points in that there are trade-offs and to partly different conclusions can be drawn also on the basis of an ideological community of values. He also points out how the extreme sacrifices many social-liberal and utilitarian academics tend to require of the citizen and society, that they not seldom extends to everything except the basic order, and minimum means of subsistence."
"Östbrings critical reasoning, open at the same time for a wide and far-reaching exercise of power. He believes that a nation-state to restrict the migration that otherwise can support reduce the for a redistributive welfare state. But should not the same state then limit, for example, the right to present välfärdsstatskritiska essays at the country's universities? Such essays also threatens to erode support for the welfare state. "
"Or is the ideal of academic freedom as here noted, realism a defence of the welfare state? In this case, is Östbrings argument is not so much about idealism versus realism, but to justify the exceptional government measures against migrants as a group."
"in that case, what are the restrictions at any time legitimate in order to reduce the migration? A lot of the limitations that exist today, means departure from important pieces of liberal democracy, particularly the rule of law. Democratic states are locking people up who have not committed any crime indefinitely, or put the asylum seekers in detention centres far away. They punish seamen who undsätter migrants in distress at sea and criminalises citizens ' documents to give the strangers a lift or shelter. "
"That we see in contemporary political development is rarely a antiliberal political practice, which applies not only to migrants. Fits in the reality of this, nevertheless in Östbrings concepts ”obstrueringspolitik”?"
"I was going to go into more objections to the thesis Östbring defended, that his realism is based on an idealized history of social democracy as the guarantor of security, but in the end he swears he will free himself by recalling that his own agenda falls outside the scope of the aim of the thesis. "
"in other words: Björn Östbring has written a thesis that, ultimately, as much in its structure as through its formulated criticism illustrates how theorising easy, at risk of slipping into irrelevance through to avoid uncomfortable questions and objections."
"immigration policy dilemmas – on idealism and realism in liberal political theory"
"the Department of Political science, Lund University"