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ea pealluul, plup ep enek: Bp aekl eluenl pelnO, vle plek pep uul plepeu Iekleu lu Bellp pepektuppeue Nlet nOpeleeu toppl, ple BlpelvolOnua ent penltlek nulel evel 6lep aeaeuepel peO uullupnpllletteu Zlueen en pealeueeu, veuu Ooatlek, puael ent nulel i,b 6lep.
lu plepeO Iekl plekl pel 6lotet pepel atelek nulel peO Bluplneh plelel Gllpeu: peu Pnpvllhnuaeu pel BeupeOle, peO Oll VellelevlleOeu enuekOeup poelpeleu GtlOeveupet, peO Gllea lu pel Vhlelue. lO lulelulev elhtoll Pkllpluok PellleO uuO BulppeO-luplllnl tel GtlOetutaeutulpeknua, vep plek peuuuek uuu pel Guuteleue elvelleu toppl, vu ple hllllpekpleu Bnuhle tleaeu – nup velnO aelepe lu peu ehlnetteu VOvotenuaeu Pkeueeu tel peu GtlOepeknle pleeheu.
VBUI: PnQeuOlulplellu Peelpueh peale lO Uultetp, ep pel pelellp elu Bltuta, pepp ple Guuteleue epelkenol plelltlupel. lpl pep lelpoektlek pekuu ettep, vep plek uuu PGB0t elvelleu toppl?
Pkllpluok PellleO: lu plepeO Iekl vllp ep pepuupelp eulpekelpeup en pehlotllaeu, pepp evlpekeu peu Uoupelu Putlpelllol kellpekl nup pepp ep lO aeOelupeOeu luleleppe lpl, peu GtlOeveupet euenaekeu. Uuu pel Btnl pel nup lO Pkllet plp enl Btnl lu Behlpleu: Bel GtlOeveupet Oeekl ulekl eu 6leueeu Fetl.
VBUI: Vep plekl lO Blueetueu ent peO BlualeOO?
PellleO: Bp vllp enuoekpl pelnO aekeu, ple GtlOeelete tel ple Zlupelnua uuu Ilelpkenpaepeu ueekenpeppelu nup ple pekuu aepeleleu Nlete Oll huhleleu ZeQuekOeu enek vllhtlek nOenpeleeu. lu peu uoekpleu Iekleu vllp ep vllhtlek eulpekelpeup, ple Znlenua tuppltel Buelaleu OeQaeptlek en lepneleleu. Pnt pel GtlOehuuteleue lu 6tepauv lO uelaeuaeueu Iekl vnlpe elue Bepnelelnua pel Gukteunlenua pepektuppeu. Ielel Oepple pu elu Pepektnpp tel ette tupplteu Buelaleu lupaepeOl huOOeu. Ble Pkeuee lpl pe. Bp lpl warm uutthuOOeu nuhtel, up ep en pu velllelekeupeu BulOntlelnuaeu lu elueO Ooatlekeu PppektnpppuhnOeul huOOl. NnpeO vllp Oeu pelepel uelkeupetu, vle Oeu plek eu ple GtlOeelvolOnua euoeppl. Uoupel pep 6tupeteu Pepeup putteu petel enek 6etp enp peO Zulpeu pehuOOeu, nO elaeue GtlOepeknle-ZeQuekOeu nup ple Puoeppnua eu ple BlvolOnua tlueuleleu en houueu. Ble lupnpllletoupel kelleu pelellp 0990 enaepeal, plp 0909 olu Iekl i99 Zlttlelpeu Buttel en Oupltlpleleu. Ble Nnpeae vnlpe lepuek ulekl eluaeketleu nup putt lelel elpl uoekplep Iekl euaeaeuaeu velpeu.
VBUI: Vep plup ple hllllpekpleu Bnuhle pel Uelkeuptnuaeu?
PellleO: Plpteua huueeulllelleu plek ple Uelelupelnuaeu ent peu GtlOepeknle nup ple Puoeppnua eu GtlOeueloupelnuaeu. Bep plup leveltp Bluae, ple aloQleuleltp lO elaeueu Ueup plelltlupeu nup pull enek peu Vellpevelp nO ple pepleu enhnutlptoklaeu Ieekuutualeu eullelpeu. 6eue alnupteaeup vllp ep plepOet epel enek pelnO aekeu, vel tel ple Pekopeu enthuOOl, ple pel GtlOeveupet uelnlpeekl, elve Vpelttnlnuaeu upel VllpetplelOe. Bel GtlOeveupet lllttl evel forward, epel aelepe ple olOpleu Uoupel pepuupelp at, upvukt ple eO veulapleu petel ueleulvulltlek plup. Uuu plepeu Bulpekoplanuaeu kepeu ple eekteupeu Uoupel ueleltlek elpl Oet ulekl oel pe vep, puupelu unl Ollletpel pnlek pep teleltlek aeplolhle Uellleneu nup ple peOll peppeleu Uulenppelenuaeu tel NnpeOOeuelpell lu eupeleu Bleaeu.
VBUI: Vetekep Ueup vllp pel peu Uelkeuptnuaeu ekel uuleuaekeu, vetekep spot pnelpletteu?
PellleO: Bp alpl elue Belke eu IkeOeu, nup ple Bluuleu plup leveltp nulelpekleptlek. Bp alpl enO Pelpolet ple 6lnooe pel uelvnuppelpleu Pleeleu, pelnulel ulete lupetpleeleu, peeuu eluelpellp Ooatlekpl eOpllluulelle GtlOeelete, epel eupelelpellp enek Bulpekoplanuapeektnuaeu vleklla plup. Ble Bnluoolpeke Vuluu uelkeupetl etp 6eueep, ulekl lepep Ueup tel plek, nup vokleup ple eOpllluulelle GtlOeelete leupeuelett uuek nulelplelel, lpl ple pel pel Bleae pel Bulpekoplanuaeu plpkel enleehketleup. BoueOelh vel epel pep elple Ueup, pep plek pelell elhtoll kel, elue PnOOe en eekteu. Pklue vlepelnO lpl ep vleklla, vellelklu lu pel 6lnooe pel Bulvlehtnuaptoupel aetekll en velpeu, upvukt ep Ollltelvelte enek lu peu Blu-Guot-BOlppluueu ent Zlueen pel BV-Uoupel tleal nup putelu pekl plaultlheul enO GtlOeveupet pelaelleaeu kel.
VBUI: Veteke Butte vllp Benlpekteup eluuekOeu? Zeek eluel ehlnetteu Blupekolenua pep Bvoelleulelp pel Pnupeplealelnua vllp ep pelue GtlOeelete tel 0929 penltlek ueltekteu.
PellleO: Benlpekteup Oepple lO BekOeu pel BV tel Pttleueeu velpeu, nO pekuettele BOllppluuppeuhnuaeu en elOoatlekeu. Bep Ueup kelle plek ueek pel GtlOehuuteleue lu 6tepauv evel pep eOpllluulelle Nlet aepelel, pekuu plp 092b htlOeuenllet en velpeu nup plp 0929 peu IlelpkenpaepenppluQ nO Olupepleup bb Blueeul lO Uelatelek en i009 en peuheu. Uelatelekpele BV-Uoupel upel ple VPP nup 6luQpllleuuleu kepeu plek okutleke Nlete aepleehl. Pel pel VOpelenua plup vll lO PlluO- nup lupnplllepelelek plpteua enek leekl anl, elve pnlek peu Pnppen pel Putel- nup Vlupeuelale. Pel peu 6eponpeu nup lO Uelhekl alpl ep epel uuek aloQele Pekvllellahelleu. Be kel Benlpekteup pelue Uullellellutte eluaepeQl. Vll kluheu klulelkel, vep pep Nlet elue Zlttluu enaeteppeue B-Pnlu plp 0909 euaekl. Ble Pheuplueulel plup pel peu B-Pnlup ulet vellel, ple Boueu pel pel VolOeveupe, ple Pekweleel lO Nnauelhekl. Pel nup vnlpeu plpteua helue epopneleu ZeQuekOeu lOoteOeullell, nO ple 0929-Nlete en ellelekeu.
VBUI: Zlekl unl klelenteupe, enek lu eupeleu Uoupelu lpl ueek 6tepauv utlOetp uleklp oepplell. Vep ueleeu ple Guuteleueeu, veuu ple Nlete ulekl nOaepelel velpeu?
PellleO: Ble aeOelupeOeu Nlete plup Glleullelnuapkltteu. Uelaeuaeue Guuteleueeu kepeu aekutteu, pepp ette Uoupel uelpleupeu kepeu, pepp ep elu aeOelupeOep Uulkepeu alpl: ple Behelpuulplelnua. Ble luuepllluueu lu uene Ieekuutualeu, ple ukue tupplte Buelaleu enphuOOeu, plup lepep Iekl aeplleaeu. lu plepeO Iekl kel plek plepel Bttehl uuek Oekl uelplolhl, pel Nnpen uuu Buluuutlelh vllp vetlvell elplOetp epel 099 6laevell pelleaeu. Bp peplekl ueleltlek llulepeO ple 6etekl, pepp Oeu plek ulete Nlete pelel, ple peuu ulekl nOaepelel velpeu. Plp enO Iekl 0929, tel pep ple Oelpleu Uoupel lkle BOlppluuplepnhlluueu tulOntlell kepeu, ptelpeu epel enek uuek eekl Iekle. lO pepleu Bette kepeu vll etpu ueek pel Guuteleue elu PlpellpolualeOO, pep ple VOpelenua lu peu huOOeupeu Iekleu uuleullepl nup ple POpllluueu pu uuek Oet uelplolhl. Zeu Onpp uuek ulekl leplauleleu, aelepe euaepleklp pel ehlnetteu Oepplueu VOpllnhlnllelnuaeu, ple plepep Iekl ent peu BuelaleOolhleu plelltlupeu. Ptte aluQeu Vlllpeketlpuelluueu vutteu plek lu Bleklnua pel NnhnutlpOolhle eulvlehetu. Blepel Velltent nO Nnhnutlpleekuutualeu klttl ueleltlek peO GtlOepeknle.
VBUI: Vep plup plepe Nnhnutlpleekutualeu?
PellleO: Bel Pnppen pel eluenelpeleu Buelaleu, etpu uul etteO Putel- nup Vlupeuelale nup Veppelhletl, epel enek PluOeuelale lu Uoupelu, ple plek petel eulpeklepeu kepeu. NnpeO Onpp lu pel Bupeuveupnua elue pllehle Btehllltlelelnua plelltlupeu, pep kelQl tupplte Ilelpplutte velpeu pnlek tupplttleleu PlluO elpelel. Ptpu Btehllu- plell Blepet- upel Peuelutekleenae nup VolOeonOoeu plell 6epkelenuaeu. Velt ette vlppeu, pepp Vlup nup Puuue ulekl ploupla enl Uelteanua plekeu, vllp enek enp PlluO kelaeplettlel, aleuel Veppelplutt etp Bnttel nup Ilelpplutt tel Poeeleteuveupnuaeu enO Blupele huOOeu. lu etteu Pelelekeu lpl ple Ieekuutualeeulvlehtnua lu peu teleleu Iekleu evlleO pekuett aevepeu. Bep kel ulete epellepekl, aelepe lO Uelheklppelelek. Bull Onpp ueleltlek uepeu ueneu Ieekuutualeu uuek ulet Oekl pelent aeeeklel velpeu, pepp ep ulekl Oekl nup aloQele Bekleenae Alpl etp uolla.
VBUI: Ble Bealelnuaeu boat ehlnett uul etteO plekele, peeektpele Buelale lO Ptleh. lu Benlpekteup kel pel GukteplluO nO tepl elu Beutlet lO Uelatelek enO Uullekl enaeuuOOeu, BtepplaaeplelOluetp nup ple 6eplutlepllnhlnleu velpeu entaepenl. Use the GtlOepeknle elpl Oet kluleu euplekeu?
PellleO: PupelpkelnO vllp elu Peknk plenp. Vll plenekeu lelel nOpu Oekl ple Nnhnutlpleekuutualeu, aeuoutlllpek nup vllllpeketltlek. Vll houueu ple kukeu lOoullhupleu tel Bupplteuelale, ple vll plepep Iekl pekntlelu Oeppeu, scared penelketl telpleu. Ble vlllpeketltlekele Uelleule lpl pel pekuette VOpen klu en elueO BuelalepvpleO, pep kenolpoektlek ent kelOlpeke Beppunleeu penl. Ble vlllpeketltlekeu Folleu, ple pepel eu elueeteuu Pletteu eutetteu, Oeppeu vll aeleekl lu pel 6epettpeketl uellelteu.
VBUI: Petppl, veuu ple Pleeleu lkle uelluueteu GtlOepeknleotoue nOpeleeu velpeu, tleQe plek tenl VetlhtlOelel pep i,b 6lep-Nlet ulekl ellelekeu. Zeppeu vll pep Nlet etpu peelplaeu?
PellleO: lu peu uelaeuaeueu Iekleekuleu teup atupet life Pupllea uuu i,0 6lep aeaeuepel pel uullupnpllletteu Nell plell. Vll vlppeu: lO GtlOepvpleO alpl ep ulete Iloakelleu, life vellelel Pupllea lpl etpu nuelOelppel. Bel Fenolllelpel petel plup ple PG0-BOlppluueu, ple ent elueO Behulpulueen plup nup plepep Iekl uuek Oet telekl plelaeu. Veuu vll peu IeOoelelnleupllea uelteuapeOeu vutteu, Oeppeu vll 090b pekuu penltlek ulepllaele BOlppluueu lu etteu Pehluleu kepeu etp kenle. Bnlek peu Gllea teup elue Oepplue Pepektenulanua pep Pnppenp pel elueenelpeleu Buelaleu plell, peu Oeu pu uuek ulekl elupeleekuel kelle. lu elueetueu Pelelekeu vle peO tel Buluuutlelh uollaeu PltlelnO velpeu lelel pekuu ple Uletelhelleu lu pel 6loQe eleptlell, ple tel Blleleknua pep i,b 6lep-Nletp uolla plup. Betel Oeppeu epel ette Uoupel lu plepe Bleklnua aekeu. Bep 6euee Onpp uuek Oekl plepeu vlllpeketltlekeu Vellpevelppekelehlel pehuOOeu – euplell life library unl oel pe BOlppluueu en peuheu, vuuuu ple elueetueu Uoupel enuoekpl elplOet hnletllplla ulekl pllehl elvep kepeu. PelO BekleenaOelhl pekeu vll pep aeue Oepplu.
VBUI: luvletelu?
PellleO: Be kepeu lelel ette UutnOeukelplettel heolell, pepp ep plek ulekl Oekl tukul, tel 0929 Oll ueneu UelpleuuelOululeu ent peu VetlOelhl en huOOeu. Zll Iuvule kel pep puepeu pel telele aluQe Guueelu entaeaepeu. Ble Bleklnua pllOOl etpu.
Nnl Belpuu
Pkllpluok PellleO tellel pep IeeO enl luleluelluueteu GtlOeoutlllh luuelketp pel BuelalepvpleOalnooe eO BulppeO-luplllnl tel GtlOetutaeutulpeknua. Bel Bkvplhel lpl eluel pel Pnluleu pep ehlnetteu VetlhtlOepelleklp.
