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"The Germans are only consumers of democratic values"

Oleksandra Matviychuk was active in the Maidan revolution in 2014 and then spent eight years documenting Russian crimes in Ukraine.

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"The Germans are only consumers of democratic values"

Oleksandra Matviychuk was active in the Maidan revolution in 2014 and then spent eight years documenting Russian crimes in Ukraine. For the lawyer and a few colleagues, it was a lonely fight - until Putin's invasion. In mid-December, the 39-year-old accepted the Nobel Peace Prize in Oslo. Before she flies back to Kyiv, she stops in Berlin and receives WELT in a hotel in the capital for an interview.

WORLD: Ms. Matwijtschuk, the last time we spoke was a year ago. They demanded that Germany finally be “honest”, see Russia as a threat and stop Nord Stream 2. But only Russia's invasion brought the "turn of the era". Is the federal government honest today?

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VBUI: Vle putt pep pllle aekeu?

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VBUI: Fel Ple ple Beehlluu pel Vhleluel ent peu Gllea epellepekl?

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