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Fighter jets for Ukraine? “This is not a debate we are having”

"Ukraine," said Annalena Baerbock, "woke up in a nightmare.

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Fighter jets for Ukraine? “This is not a debate we are having”

"Ukraine," said Annalena Baerbock, "woke up in a nightmare." With these words, the Foreign Minister recalled the Russian invasion a good year ago on Tuesday evening's talk show by Sandra Maischberger. The program revolved around what has happened since then: the development of the war, the German arms deliveries and the peace demonstration that Sahra Wagenknecht and Alice Schwarzer recently called for.

With the author Düzen Tekkal and the comedian Kaya Yanar, Maischberger also commemorated the victims of the earthquake in Turkey and Syria. The journalists Alev Doğan, Melanie Amann and Waldemar Hartmann were also invited. The latter declared in his usual pithy words that Ukraine had to "bomb Putin at the table". Although he attested to the impressive start of the self-proclaimed peace movement, he emphasized that he had not signed the associated “Manifesto for Peace”.

Amann described the petition as a "pure ego number" from Wagenknecht. The “cold, strategic background” is that the left-wing politician is building a “new, political pool”. Doğan criticized the demonstration's "lack of demarcation to the right" and the "triumphal posturing" presented. The "remarkably cheerful self-importance" on the part of the stage was "completely indecent".

Baerbock held back criticism in a one-on-one interview. Even with respect to Wagenknecht's well-established allegations that the Foreign Minister was "stomping across the international stage like a elephant in a china shop," she refrained from making a clear reply. Above all, the demonstration shows "what a blessing we all have in this country to live in a democracy". Russia has people arrested for comparable criticism of the government. The only thing she rejected was a lack of willingness to negotiate. Representatives from more than 140 countries have traveled to Moscow several times to make it clear to Putin that his war is harming the whole world. Everyone left sobered.

Baerbock also spoke about her relationship with Chancellor Scholz. When asked if she and Scholz drove each other crazy, as was recently stated in a "Zeit" article, she said: "As in any good marriage, I would almost say." A little later, she refuted the claim : "We don't drive ourselves insane."

A coalition, she said, is like a marriage contract. Agreement was reached on disputed points, but "fortunately" the coalition agreement said nothing about what to do if the European peace order was attacked. You didn't ask yourself these questions. The Foreign Minister avoided holding such debates in public. With her question about a possible delivery of fighter jets, Maischberger bounced off her several times: "This is not a debate that we are having."

The federal government is pursuing the goal that the Ukrainian population should be able to live “in peace and freedom” – and “as is well known, Crimea also belongs to Ukraine”. It is precisely this goal that could develop into a "question of fate", as Melanie Amann emphasized in the subsequent panel. For Putin, the peninsula has “high symbolic power”. He would probably fall if he gave her up. Scholz never said that Ukraine should win, "because that would immediately lead to the Crimea question." Instead, he keeps the point open, "otherwise you will never find a way out of this war".

Waldemar Hartmann agreed with the "Spiegel" journalist. Ukraine cannot "withdraw targets" before the negotiations. However, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy knows that recapturing Crimea is not realistic. The sports reporter expressed irritation at the handling of the special assets for the Bundeswehr. So far, none of the 100 billion euros has been spent.

Amann's objection that the processes were more complicated than when ordering a car, Hartmann brushed aside: "It is also clear to me that this is not a Thermomix." may be. Doğan was the only one who reminded that there should be money for other areas besides the military: "We still have poor education in this country, we still have other big problems."

So it was a good fit that Düzen Tekkal and Kaya Yanar, who joined the group, referred to the needs of Turkey and Syria in the concluding discussion. The comedian's role was to provide a personal perspective. His parents had once immigrated from the southern Turkish municipality of Antakya, which has now been largely destroyed by the earthquake. Tekkal appeared combative. The earthquake disaster highlights numerous other problems, as shown by the catastrophic management. Criticism of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is "perceived as an insult to majesty - even outside of Turkey".

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