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A' Yes 'to the Initiative would be a boomerang

Since two weeks, you are the Minister of the environment. As their Start?
I had already law a full program, with Commission consultations to the CO2, and others. It is exciting, and I am glad that I have encountered in the Department a lot of good, motivated employees.

And you have to fight a people's initiative ...
It is quite good, if the entry is not as directly. (laughs)

... is an Initiative for which you would have to have sympathy. You were once in the initiative Committee of the countryside initiative. This called for a building stop, as is now the urban sprawl initiative.
It's true, I was in the countryside initiative. She has a lot of movement, and therefore, I am also a bit proud to have contributed to this impetus. Thanks to the landscape initiative, there are the new, tactile, spatial planning law, one of the best in Europe. Where building zones are too big, they need to be reduced. The urban sprawl initiative could be a boomerang: When the building zones of Switzerland would be capped. Since the reserves are mainly in remote areas, threatening the construction activity to shift in the edge regions. This promotes urban sprawl. In the urban areas, the pressure on previously protected sites increases with the Freezing of the building zones. And we could not reduce the size of the building zones, maybe.

Video: sprawl initiative – Is a building-stop needed? On 10. February, the urban sprawl initiative comes to a vote. An economic Committee is against this project. The Initiative would lead to a development stop, they say.

you believe in a ' Yes ' conclusion would be zonungen with?
The risk is. The Initiative wants to freeze the building zones. Return zonungen, as they are demanded today is not a speech.

It could lead you still further.
it's not that simple. The Initiative is assumed, must develop the Parliament a new law for spatial planning. What would be accepted by today's strict law, no one can predict. It is established that there are forces that interfere with the return zonungen.

Where were reduced to building zones?
In the cantons of Vaud, Luzern, and Solothurn, for example. In the Canton of Vaud, about half of all municipalities must zone back. Across the country, the area of the construction zones has increased since 2012, although the population has grown. Per capita they went, therefore, back even. It has occurred in the last years a change in thinking, both in the population as well as the authorities and the courts. I'm happy about that. The landscape protection is very important to me.

The Federal Council writes, but that the impact of the spatial planning act can only be in 2022 evaluated.
The tightening of the grip in many places already, and the cantons have exactly four months to the more stringent indicative plans by the Federal government to approve. It shows that It goes forward. But the fact is: We can't create all the previous failed developments out of the world. The urban sprawl initiative.

Why do you fear that a Yes the urban sprawl is shifting? You don't need the land reserves, only redistribute – there, where they make sense.
That sounds good. But when it comes to the implementation, poking the initiators, their ideas, their limits. Do you want to make a national planning authority, which forces the cantons of land to others? This is in Switzerland, is hardly feasible. Or do you want to platform a trade on the land is auctioned? This would lead to only rich municipalities land could afford – not to mention the prices for the tenant of the consequences for the Property.

If ' Yes 'or a' no ' to the Initiative: at some point, the zones are used up. What then?
The cantons are allowed to align the building zones only the requirement for the next 15 years. And finally, we do not want to prevent that, Yes, a city can also create a new district. What is needed is a more intelligent dealing with the growth.

your party colleague, National councillor Jacqueline Badran holds a net immigration of 40'000 to 80'000 persons per year for not acceptable for Switzerland.
We are voting on the 10. February is not about the growth and the immigration question. This Initiative can't stop the immigration. Anyone who claims the contrary promises to the population, something that he cannot comply with it.

If the urban sprawl is, however, contained substantial: it Needs then large infrastructure projects such as the Expansion of the highways on two sets of three traces, as this is in a report of the Federal Council?
The Federal Council has no concrete plans. These are the Considerations, which he makes in the field of mobility, such as Mobility Pricing.

we will Go right in derAnnahme that you will not be put in a more concrete expansion plans?
(laughs) I'm only two weeks in the Department, I can say nothing.

And Mobility-Pricing?
Also that's not from today to tomorrow, is planned as the next interim report.

How Switzerland looks like in 20 to 40 years: it Is characterised by mega-cities, which have grown in height,surrounded by green zones?
The Trend is clear: It draws the people in the cities and urban areas; 75 percent of the population live there. We must make the habitat in such a way that the welfare of the people. We need to protect the landscape and the nature and the energy of the Living and in the mobility efficiently. If work and home are not too far apart, we can reduce the floor consumption.

you are already living a sustainable form of living? In the run-up to the Ecopop Initiative, it came under criticism, because they lived in a two family house with a large garden, so plenty of room needed.
I live since 2 years in an apartment in the city of Bern and can be reached by Bus or to walk to work. This is a privilege. We should not evaluate the personal form of living but with moral ideas. The landscape protection we do for the people and not against the population.

(editing Tamedia)

Created: 11.01.2019, 21:09 PM

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